Idiotic "militia" standoff in Oregon

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Idiotic "militia" standoff in Oregon

The stupidity of this is beyond articulation. Not only is there zero chance that an armed group of citizens could even conceive of winning any type of actual firefight with the federal government, but these morons are doing so much damage to the cause of limiting federal power it's ridiculous.

Gun-toting jackasses like this are giving big government-types the exact template they need to gain public support for an ever-encroaching federal government. Think Obama is a threat to your second amendment rights? Wrong. It's these people. They scare normal Americans into giving up their rights to keep mentally unstable jerks like this from shooting people in their towns.

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But CB is the new Jefferson !

But CB is the new Jefferson !!!

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geez you would think that AMG

geez you would think that AMG could give a link to the idiotic stand-off rather than some guy talking in his truck

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I agree although it is not as

I agree although it is not as good as someone in their basement bunker.

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Without knowing the long

Without knowing the long history of the Hammond Ranch and what brought about this standoff, it's uninformed and premature to call these people stupid and idiotic. Learn what's really going on. Don't rely merely on CNN or other networks.

It's an attempt to bring attention to an outragoues situation brought about by federal authorities egregious mishandling of what started out as a rancher's standard method of reducing invasive plants.

Read it all here. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going...

And more background on American Land Rights web site - http://www.landrights.org/or/Hammond/index.htm

And thank God every day that we do not yet have to live under such federal control here in Maine.

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No, I feel adequately

No, I feel adequately informed. They are stupid and idiotic and their foolish behavior will result in less freedom for the rest of us.
You can't simultaneously worship the rule of law and defy it.

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Saul Alinsky was a brilliant

Saul Alinsky was a brilliant man. Evil, but brilliant. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, everyone on the Left from the President on down is playing by his rules in the political arena. Not all liberals have read his book or know his name, but his tactics have become universal. Sadly for conservatives, when two evenly matched forces go head-to-head outside of a fairy tale, the side that tries to play nice usually ends up with its head in a box. So, don't lie or become an evil person like Alinsky, but learn from what he wrote and give the Left a taste of its own medicine.
Alinsky’s fourth rule:
…”the fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon”.

Idiotic....stupidity.....morons.....jackasses....unstable jerks.....they are stupid and idiotic....

http://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/battles-of-lexington-a...

Fighting Breaks Out in Lexington and Concord
“At dawn on April 19, some 700 British troops arrived in Lexington and came upon 77 militiamen gathered on the town green. A British major yelled, “Throw down your arms! Ye villains, ye rebels.”

77 stood at Lexington.....Maybe those ‘stupid, moron Jackasses should have just.....gone away...go home, you are stupid and idiotic! I appreciate the fact that they did not.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going...
Open the link....read it and be informed.

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Don't ya just want to cry

Don't ya just want to cry along with Ritzheimer?

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A casual look at various news

A casual look at various news outlets(I know they were all suspect) but there seems to be considerable feelings
amongst locals that the Bundys'( the new Jefferson and sons) are not welcome and the alleged victims
the Hammonds do not seem to be on board with Clivens' boys !

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Yes Spider, you're right. AMG

Yes Spider, you're right. AMG actually stands for "Alinsky's My Guy"

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The number of these incidents

The number of these incidents will continue to grow until the government finally runs out of sources to tap to enable the majority to get a larger share of the surplus. That surplus is not gold but food and the means to buy it. We are already having to subsidize the creation of surplus and then selling it a discount. Every additional mouth we add to consumption only hastens the inevitable.

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Has anyone been shot, like

Has anyone been shot, like say in Chicago, Detroit... Did not think so. Did the OWS crowd result in more loss of freedom? Regardless of the outcome, we will continue to lose freedom, it is the Progressive way, Collins and company will keep it going and government growing.

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Comparing these thugs in

Comparing these thugs in Oregon to Lexington 77 is a very big insult to those on Lexington Green that day.

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Agree 100% BL

Agree 100% BL

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It's a sign of civil

Has anyone been shot, like say in Chicago, Detroit... Did not think so.

It's a sign of civil discontent across the board. Obama, himself, promotes #blacklivesmatter, which can be traced to vandalism, riots, looting, and even murder, including the targeting and murder of several policemen.

Compared to what Obama is cheerleading, these Oregon-types are choir boys and girls.

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You can't simultaneously

You can't simultaneously worship the rule of law and defy it

AMG sorry, but that statement is just ripe for ridicule.

If there is anyone guilty of defying the law, it is the federal government. Fast and Furious, Invading sovereign nations, violating the fourth amendment, you name it, the federal government is above the law and so are their cronies.

Corzine and a list of bankers and corporations given a slap on the wrist for fraud and theft. too big too fail

So it is hard to get too excited about some armed jackasses taking over an unoccupied building when armed jackasses in uniforms take over everything every where.

Maybe there are some great unwashed that believe our government doesn't violate the laws both domestic and international every day. But what can you say about asleep sheep.

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You can't simultaneously

You can't simultaneously worship the rule of law and defy it

What do you mean, "You can't"? Obama has been doing it since he took office. (granted he only pays lip service to the rule of law but......)

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Urgent update!

Urgent update!

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Islander asks because he

Islander asks, because he missed the bulletin:
"Has anyone been shot, like say in Chicago, "

64 last weekend in Chicago. I don't have the Detroit number, but since Chief Craig arrived in Detroit, crime is down substantially.

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The Lexington 77 were also

The Lexington 77 were also called terrorists by the then ruling class, history repeating itself?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429214/oregon-rancher-protests-civ...

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Dreadlock girl is stumped.

Dreadlock girl is stumped.

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"The Lexington 77 were also

"The Lexington 77 were also called terrorists by the then ruling class, history repeating itself?"

The winners get to write the history.

Our Founders used dissent, protest and civil disobedience. Then stronger measures became necessary.

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They were trying to create

They were trying to create something ,these guys are trying the opposite IMO.
When the Hammonds' want them to be there I might change my opinion ,they don't and the locals don't.
Anyway, I guess ranching must be pretty good out there ,since all these guys can afford to be there and not working !

Well at least this guy sees a need to go home.
LaVoy Finicum, a rancher from Arizona, said the group would examine the underlying land ownership transactions to begin to "unwind it."
Finicum said he was eager to leave Oregon.
"I need to get home," he said. "I've got cows that are scattered and lost."

I am in agreement that there needs to be a full reassessment of the entire issue. Even if agreed on the solution will take
a long time to implement. This is not way to do it.

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Like I said, lots of

Like I said, lots of supporters of the government called the Lexington 77 terrorists, if they had lost , most likely they would be known as terrorists and not the leaders of a Revolution
This what happens when people get tired of being pushed around by the people who are supposed to be working for them. Ever write a letter to Collins? What kind of canned responce did you get, one that satisfied you or one that was a waste of time to read?

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But they weren't the leaders

But they weren't the leaders per se ! They were participants in a critical event the first of many !
Nothing to diminish their acts but let's not assign to much to them !
Their act contributed to creation of a different system not to tear one down.
Sorry, I stand by, they were worthy of praise for what they did , the Bundy Brigade
not so much !

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Oh this is ho they can be in
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As a freshman at Columbia

As a freshman at Columbia University in 1970, future Attorney General Eric Holder participated in a five-day occupation of an abandoned Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) headquarters with a group of black students later described by the university’s Black Students’ Organization as “armed,”

As college student, Eric Holder participated in ‘armed’ takeover of former Columbia University ROTC office

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What the hey???

What the hey???
Reading this title had me double checking the URL.
For a minute there I thought I'd been hijacked and taken to Democrat Undergtround.

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I have to give the Obama

I have to give the Obama adminstration some credit here. So far they've given these guys a good leaving alone, depriving them of the glorious confrontation they so desire. If the media would do the same and quit feeding their egos they might soon get bored and wander back home.

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UNBELIEVABLE Update – Oregon

UNBELIEVABLE Update – Oregon “Bundy Militia” Standoff – The U.S. Attorney At The Heart of The Hammond Family Problem…
Posted on January 4, 2016 by sundance

The media are focused on the “Bundy Militia” angle to the standoff in Burns Oregon, where Aamon Bundy and brothers have taken over a Malheur Wildlife Refuge Headquarters to draw attention to the plight of the Hammond family (Full Complex Back Story Here).

However, a little research (HatTip NeverTooLate) into the original legal battle reveals a rather startling update.

The initial, and regarded by many as overreaching, federal prosecution resulted in a federal court judge Michael Hogan assigning a 3-month sentence and 1-year sentence for Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr (73) and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond (46) respectively.

Even federal Judge Hogan stated the prosecution under “terrorism statutes” itself was an overreach and he refused to assign ridiculously high sentences for behavior that almost every rancher has conducted for generations.

Those sentences were fulfilled by the father an son duo in 2013 with Steven Hammond exiting prison in January 2014. However, it was a decision by the U.S Attorney for the State of Oregon, Amanda Marshall, who called for an appeal to the original sentencing:

You will not hear any of this on the MSM, this is way too damning of the Federal Govt. There are twist upon turns and a activist moonbat Obama appointee judge involved. This stuff just can't be made up. It's way too complicated.

There is much, much more to this background here:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-orego...

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