Discover the realities of Maine SEIU, Forced Unionism, and the local Socialist movement

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Bruce Libby
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Thank you MF.

Thank you MF.

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Here's another thing you

Here's another thing you deserve to understand, Matt, and I'll even provide a good example to help you understand this fact:
--> Certain public-sector labor unions/PACs like SEIU are spending our dues/fees on purely political activities that clearly violate our rights under the First Amendment.

--> Example: http://www.oc-breeze.com/2018/05/01/120704_seiu-holds-march-in-los-alami...

Matt, do you now understand why Forced Unionism should indeed be outlawed on the national level in our USA?

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ONE DACHA FOR ME AND NONE FOR

AND THAT'S ONE DACHA FOR ME AND NONE FOR YOU!

Matt, do you now understand why Forced Unionism should indeed be outlawed on the national level in our USA?

What MF?

Don’t you understand that forced unionism makes the revolution possible?

“According to Vladimir Lenin, the purpose of the vanguard party is to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat; supported by the working class.” ---Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism

So unions have to take your money from you for your own good!

This allows union leaders to sit in the sedan chairs we carry so that they can think for us.

http://www.tdu.org/tdu-takes-mob

Because all we do is work while they have the harder job of thinking.

And once they capture the government they will need time to think some more for us.

They will do this in the quiet and regal comfort of their government paid for dachas.

dacha [dah-chuh] noun 1. a Russian country house or villa.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dacha?s=t

That way they’ll be far from the maddening cries of famine starved workers.

Who like drone bees will have to be sacrificed for the good of the hive.

Any one who questions this is counter-revolutionary and so must be purged.

Everyone else will just have to doublethink that forced dues are voluntary!

doublethink is the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely. Doublethink requires using logic against logic or suspending disbelief in the contradiction. The three slogans of the party — "War Is Peace; Freedom Is Slavery; Ignorance Is Strength" — are obvious examples of doublethink.

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/cliffsnotes/subjects/literature/in-orwells-1...

Anyone saying different is just a pro-worker fraud.

Now shut up and pay up or it's off to the re-education work camps for you!

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BRING BACK MOE, CURLEY &

WANT AD FOR MOE, CURLEY & LARRY!

The Maine State Employees Association, Local 1989 of the Service Employees International Union, a progressive and dynamic statewide member-run labor union representing over 13,000 public and private sector workers in the State of Maine, is accepting applications for the position of Executive Director.

https://www.unionjobs.com/listing.php?id=12904

Once again MSEA is in search of a “leader” who’ll do as he or she is told.

Just keep the money coming in from the members.

And going out to SEIU and the Democrats.

Don’t even think about putting members first.

Continue cutting services and extracting dues (as you raise them of course).

In that sense MSEA is a success.

For some people anyway.

So why should they mess up such a good thing for themselves?

That is why they are more likely to bring back Moe, Curley and Larry.

Before they would ever even think about putting members first.

Therefore all real Trade Unionists should beware of this job trap.

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SEIU'd = SCREWED

SEIU'd = SCREWED

Annual SEIU salaries:

https://www.unionfacts.com/employees/Service_Employees

Now you can believe what SEIU says about being pro-Union....because they are.

They're just not pro-workers.

Just read this passage from a biography of Mao Tse-Tung during the Long March of 1934-1935:

"The rank-and-file, in turn, voiced bitter feelings about the way their leaders had abandoned the wounded, and turned ordinary soldiers into 'sedan-chair bearers' for the VIPs and their wives. This charge - that Mao and the other leaders had 'sat in sedan chairs' all through the March - was the sorest issue of them all. A Long Marcher told us how angry the ordinary soldiers had felt: the leaders 'talked about equality, but they all lounged around in litters, like landlords. We talked in whispers...' The soldiers were told that 'the leaders have a very hard life. Although they don't walk, nor carry heavy loads, their brains and everything have it much rougher than we do. We only walk and eat, we don't have cares.' Not surprisingly this low-level sophistry failed to assuage the rank-and-file."

---Mao: The Untold Story by Jung Chang and Jon Holliday, Random House, New York (2005) at p.156.

Sound familiar?

Try and name any Maine State government SEIU'd worker who gets paid like SEIU "leaders".

You can't because there aren't any, instead they just ensure SEIU "leaders" get paid like that.

The workers once again just hoist the sedan chairs for SEIU "leaders".

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That's a great point, Sonny,

That's a great point, Sonny, and yet so many of the SEIU puppets just seem happy to keep drinking the fee kool-aid and doing what they're told by their masters. It's really quite sad in many respects, but excessive greed is certainly a powerful and nasty trait.

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Guide explains how unions

Guide explains how unions indoctrinate employees into joining

"A report released last year by the union-backed nonprofit Jobs with Justice explained in detail how unions can use new hire orientations to indoctrinate employees into signing up for union membership and becoming union activists."

FMI: https://www.freedomfoundation.com/labor/guide-explains-how-unions-indoct...

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--> This looks like the union/PAC handbook that SEIU must run by, as it sounds a lot like what's been happening in Maine state government for many years.

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The clock is ticking and we

The clock is ticking and we might just hear a decision this week in the historic SCOTUS case of Janus vs. AFSCME.

If the Justices rule in favor of us workers, public servants will finally be freed from the shackles of Forced Unionism...


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*** BREAKING NEWS ABOUT THE

*** BREAKING NEWS ABOUT THE PUBLIC-SECTOR UNION/PAC CALLED SEIU ***

$32 million seized by union bosses in illegal forced dues.

"$32,000,000 stripped from the pockets of over 80,000 home care providers in Illinois and stuffed into the coffers of SEIU union bosses to advance their radical political agenda."

That's why the Supreme Court has been asked to take up a class-action lawsuit to reclaim forced dues seized from the 80,000 home care providers.

FMI, see http://nlpc.org/2018/05/22/congress-probes-200-million-annual-union-medi... and
http://www.nrtw.org/news/riffey-cert-05212018/ and
https://righttoworkfoundation.org/SCVF18-A.aspx?pid=0617b


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Here's a new article with

Here's a new article with some great facts about this important labor issue:

Overturning 'fair share' union fees would restore balance

“The legal argument is simple and compelling: All public-sector collective bargaining is political because it directly affects taxes, spending and the policies of government.”

“The Abood decision sanctioned a massive transfer of wealth, with no accountability, from the paychecks of public employees into the coffers of unions, which quickly became a formidable and well-funded political machine.

That machine has warped the electoral and legislative process for almost half a century, making us feel more divided than we really are. Government unions are a major player in determining who runs for office and who wins. Unions try to elect who they will bargain with, so they can sit on both sides of the table. The relationship between government and public unions has grown too cozy. That is not good for employees, taxpayers or public policy.”

Full article: http://www.startribune.com/overturning-fair-share-union-fees-would-resto...
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It's time to end Forced Unionism by passing a national Right-To-Work law that will protect all legal workers in the USA... and a SCOTUS ruling in favor of Mark Janus would IMO be a good start.

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JANUS vs AFSCME

JANUS vs AFSCME

The US Supreme Court ruled today, June 27, 2018!

Public sector employers may no longer extract dues from their "fair share" employees for public sector unions!

That is unless those employees voluntarily and affirmatively consent to dues extraction then there can be none.

Now unions in all 50 states and territories are going to have to work for a living just like everyone else!

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unless those employees

unless those employees voluntarily and affirmatively consent to dues extraction then there can be none.

That is what I always wanted to have happen .I always argued that the ansewer in Maine was the fact when they forced it on
employees under threat of termination , it negated the deduction card.

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Indeed, and it's now time for

Indeed, and it's now time for everyone involved in this fiasco to get a refund for the monies stolen from them over the years... hence all of the Class Action lawsuits now underway.

If you know anyone who had to pay the unFairShare fees, please let them know a refund might be possible and they should contact the NRTWLDF.

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BTW, since several Maine

BTW, since several Maine politicians have supported Forced Unionism on workers for many years, here's a great new article they should read.

In particular, I hope the following Maine politicians get-this-message:
Senator Susan Collins, Sen. Roger Katz, Sen. Tom Saviello, Sen. Scott Cyrway, Sen. David Woodsome, Sen. Dana Dow, Sen. Kim Rosen, Rep. Matt Pouliot, Rep. Tim Theriault, Rep. Jeff Pierce, and Rep. Dick Campbell to name a few. Remember in November.

Please help spread the word!

Article @ https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/supreme-courts-union-ruling-helps-balance-...

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This is good stuff.

This is good stuff.

Now the unions should tell those who don’t join or pay fees to take a hike. Figure out their contracts on their own, or form a different group to do it.

If workers can’t be compelled to associate with a union via fees for services, then surely the union can’t be compelled to associate with them. It’s the law.

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AGREED!

A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!

Matt: "This is good stuff."

Agreed.

Matt: "Now the unions should tell those who don’t join or pay fees to take a hike. Figure out their contracts on their own, or form a different group to do it."

Right, you want their services then go pay for them yourself.....voluntarily of course.

Matt: "If workers can’t be compelled to associate with a union via fees for services, then surely the union can’t be compelled to associate with them. It’s the law."

I agree and it's about time....at least in what used to be called collective bargaining states.

But this has always been the case in right to work states.

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Janus Decision Is a Victory

Janus Decision Is a Victory for Government Workers — and Likely Taxpayers

“By a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court ruled in the Janus case that government workers cannot be forced to pay unions just to keep their jobs. This is a huge victory for public employees – and likely for taxpayers as well. Functionally, the Janus v. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees decision is like passing a Right to Work law for government workers. From now on, unions will need to continually demonstrate their value to workers and will likely need to scale back their political involvement, or at least adjust their politics to be less partisan.”

FMI: http://seiumonitor.com/janus-decision-victory-government-workers-likely-...

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Did this effort win the 2016
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Since each and every public

Since each and every public servant in Maine has now been freed from the nasty shackles of Forced Unionism,
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!

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**** NEW INFORMATION IS NOW

**** NEW INFORMATION IS NOW AVAILABLE ****

Know your Janus Rights for Union Members,
posted at https://myjanusrights.org/janus-rights-for-union-members/

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Figure out their contracts on

Figure out their contracts on their own...

Matt seems to think independent negotiation would be a hindrance for workers.

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It Is a hindrance for those

It Is a hindrance for those that aren't good at negotiating.......or working......

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Perhaps he even believes it's

Perhaps he even believes it's another entitlement?

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Compensation might actually

Compensation might actually be determined by the free market in labor. Just like it is for everyone else.

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Always entertaining to read

Always entertaining to read Moving Forward’s schizophrenic commentary. On the one hand, he’s pro-worker! The horrible unions aren’t giving dues paying members their money’s worth! On the other hand, workers are “entitled”! They’re getting stuff handed to them! It must be difficult keeping up the facade, eh, MF?

I wonder which sentiment MFer actually believes....

I wonder. Not.

Seriously, though, it’s going to be fun to see how school districts and gummint organizations approach contracts without collective bargaining for a chunk of their employees. How much less will the majority of workers end up making? And how much more will bureaucracies end up spending on personnel and lawyers to tailor and manage and keep up with the contracts?

Wouldn’t it be ironic if this wet dream of conservatives shifts the burden of cost from private citizens to taxpayers?

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They won't do as you state.

They won't do as you state. The can offer services to members w/out the forced element.
As I said previously, enlighten us with your experience in a public sector union.
Mine is 40 years covered by two unions in Maine.

The state isn't going to change the collective bargaining laws for state employees.

The most immediate result for non members is no access to union provided, employee
paid ,wage protection insurance and limited representation in a grievance.

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It's going to be fun...

It's going to be fun...

Matt -

No mystery in figuring what non-union negotiation looks like.

How did gummint hire workers before collective bargaining?

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If Matt know he can ask me

If Matt know he can ask me I worked for State before CB was established.
Answer is four words.

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They can offer services to

They can offer services to members without the forced element?

Hey Bruce—if they’re not paying into the system, they’re not “members.” And why the hell would a dues paying member want his or her money to be used for “services” benefiting folks who don’t help pay for said services?

As I said, it’ll be fun to see how it shakes out.

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